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 Post subject: Saturn transiting 1st House & Saturn conjunct Pluto-Help?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:30 pm 
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For quite awhile I've had Saturn retrograding in my 1st house but recently it has moved direct. Currently I have an active Saturn conjunct my natal Pluto. Since I was young I've had many, many unexpected changes and moves which have left me far behind in life. I'm currently trying to pick up the pieces and reestablish myself and figure out which direction I need to go in--though, it seems like everything I personally try to change about myself and situation is met with considerable opposition or gets thwarted.
I fear I may soon be facing legal trouble ( School federal aid; health insurance; possibly also a child support/custody case ) too. So many things I have failed to keep up with are now coming to a head. But I'm finally beginning to try to deal with them instead of pretending they're not there.
A big concern too is my love life. I've been involved in a relationship with a certain man since I was 14 and have a child with him. We do not live together, and I don't feel that he is right for me anymore ( he's a Taurus ( May 15, 1985/Philadelphia, PA) and stabilizes me on some levels, and completely tears me down on others)--so for the past couple of months I've been trying to end it. I just recently got in contact with someone ( a Sagittarius; 12/09/1987-NJ ) whom I went to elementary school with actually ( Starting around April-to currently--while Neptune sextile Venus; Jupiter sextile Venus ), he currently is serving in the military and being deployed in November so I don't think there's a chance.
But anyway, I would just like to know if someone can give me any kind of advice or direction as to when things might get better and progress; as well as anything else you might be able to tell me. And as love relations have always been important to me (guessing Sun in 7th house), any kind of information anyone might have on that would be greatly appreciated as too. I'm stuck and I know I have a lot of hard work right around the corner...but I just need to know there might be a silver lining coming up somewhere.

eta: I've added a Solar return chart, but from my perspective, it doesn't look all too promising either. :nono

Thank you to those who have take the time to read this. I know it was long.


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 Post subject: Re: Saturn transiting 1st House & Saturn conjunct Pluto-Help?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:14 pm 
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Thank you again Justin for your replies. :mrgreen: I definitely would appreciate it Sherrye if you would be able to share with me some of your insight--you seem to be very knowledgeable.


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 Post subject: Re: Saturn transiting 1st House & Saturn conjunct Pluto-Help?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:17 pm 
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Hi, Lilypetals!

I don't have time to check it out at the moment, but I hope to get back to it tonight. If you don't hear from me, post again, so that I will be notified. :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Saturn transiting 1st House & Saturn conjunct Pluto-Help?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:22 pm 
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Whenever you have the chance, it's ok. I'm just kind of really lost right now and it feels like I'm only 2 steps up the mountain, so I will be appreciative of any kind of good/bad/realistic direction or insight.


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 Post subject: Re: Saturn transiting 1st House & Saturn conjunct Pluto-Help?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:04 pm 
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Not sure where you are seeing Saturn conjunct Pluto...?

I'll review all of this when I can. I suspect some of what is disturbing to you is having the Saturn transit through your first house while you are feeling the uncertainty of the Neptune/Chiron/Jupiter conjunction in Aquarius sextiling your Venus...But I shouldn't rush thruogh this in an attempt to give you an answer. Some less patient people have tried to push for a quick answer, and then they don't get a thorough review (or an accurate one) as these things take time. Your patience is MUCH appreciated!

I am not seeing much of anything that should be a cause for alarm so far, so that's a good thing. :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Saturn transiting 1st House & Saturn conjunct Pluto-Help?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:48 am 
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Good point, I'll remain patient.

As far as the Pluto conjuction Saturn (sorry, it's reversed) goes, it began February 2008 and is supposed to last until December 2009. It peaks again on June 29th. But then I'm going to be dealing with a Saturn square Saturn influence from November 2009 until August 2010. I'm just not looking forward to my life at the moment. :cry

Although, I do wonder if any of the Saturn transits represent my Grandparents at all, as I've lived with them since around 9/10 years old--when they became my guardians/much more of 'parents' than my own actual parents ever were.


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 Post subject: Re: Saturn transiting 1st House & Saturn conjunct Pluto-Help?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:59 am 
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Lily,

I see now. So it's transiting Pluto that has been conjunct your natal Saturn, and also conjunct your Uranus by the way. I count both of them (not just Saturn) as being in your 5th house. In what I call an equal house solar birth chart, they would have both been in the 10th house. This is why your efforts are being met with opposition, and why you are facing legal problems, etc. From your 5th house we are seeing the potential of this involving a child or child custody, and from the 10th house we are seeing the authorities and legalities, etc. So THIS is what we are really looking at, particularly during Pluto's recent retrograde. The structure and tradition of Saturn has been bulldozed by Pluto, and so has your Uranian urge for independence and change. Pluto presents power that is greater than the authority of Saturn. So much of what you have built in your life is likely to go under if you haven't built it on a strong enough foundation, or if you have neglected "upkeep" in certain areas.

Pluto has also been trining your Ascendant and Moon, and trines from Pluto to the Moon in particular do not have the same kind of pleasant feeling that other trines usually do. As a matter of fact, this is a very emotionally challenging aspect (although easier than most other aspects would have been). This is the emotinal stuff. You may begin noticing more of this by December, as you may be forced to begin making emotional choices and to consider letting go of something in regards to home, family, or someone who was close. (Maybe a grandparent, but we don't know.) This will continue throughout 2010. However, since this is happening during a trine from Pluto to your Moon and not a conjunction, square or opposition, you will be able to cope with it.

Neptune, Jupiter, and Chiron (mostly Neptune and Chiron for some time) have been squaring your Taurus MC and Scorpio IC, and you may have felt somewhat better when Jupiter first caught up to that aspect. Everything in the life seems uncertain...Home, family, relationship, Self... Neptune and Chiron caused a combination of confusion and possibly grief, yet, Jupiter brought in an opportunity. See, at the same time they all have been sextiling your Venus and Jupiter in the 9th...That's the reconnection with the Sagittarian man who is in the military. This contact may linger for some time if you keep in touch, and it may have an opportunity to grow, but you are looking at December of this year or January of next before it has a real possibility of going somewhere. (Will he have a Christmas break of any kind?) This same Neptune, Chiron, and Jupiter transit is activating your Lilith in Leo and Ceres in Aquarius opposition in your natal chart, and this throws confusion into matters of child custody and similar matters of children. Jupiter may be of assistance for awhile, especially once it goes direct and then retruns to the aspect late this year. But that's when you really have to make the strongest efforts in the custody case (as well as in the long distance relationship). And with the custody case, if you truly want custody as opposed to your own independence, you have to really start working on it now. It's highlighted in July, and again when Jupiter goes direct in October, and you cannot let this slide of this is what you want. WIthout Jupiter around during these periods, Neptune and Chiron will only confuse the situation, so you need to work with Jupiter when you can.

So many of these choices will be up to you in the end. It is your own subconscious Uranian urge for independence that got you in this position to begin with. If I use an equal house solar chart, it would put tranisting Uranus in your 12th house since about early 2006 or so, signaling you to make changes, but from a place of unconsciousness where you are not fully aware of what is happening.

Transiting Uranus and Saturn have been back and forth over your North Node in Pisces in the 7th and your South Node in Virgo in the First, so your own identity in relationship to others is being challenged, and with Uranus soon to be entering the 7th, you don't feel like hanging on to the same partnership situation. It is beginning to seem old and outowrn, and no longer seems to serve you. You may see it change or end in about a year or so, as Uranus crosses into your 7th (or conjuncts the DC) for the first time. Your relationship is beginning to seem invalid, but this is partly because you are changing. And you are trying to be responsible since Saturn first entered your 1st house (actually since it firstr conjuncted your ascendant), but with Uranus opposite it doesn't get seem to matter how responsible you are trying to be, because you can't seem to build permanence yet.

To try and sum things up, I do see some positive Jupiter transits towards the end of the year for you to go with. This may have to do with both the Sagittarian and the custody case...But don't give up on that custody case when things appear to be going your way, IF you truly want custody. You'll have to prove it to yourself as well as to others. Then when Jupiter conjuncts your Sun in March of 2010, it should bring better things; a feeling of connection, a spiritual awareness, and maybe a chance to really get close to someone. The law may see things your way to a degree at any of these points, which is helpful. Pluto will keep things on an up and down spin for awhile, however.


The Sun of your Taurus man is being squared by Neptune and Chiron (and Jupiter), and so is his Saturn...He is going through that same sense of confusion in all areas of his life. Pluto transiting square his Aries moon could end the relationship, but we dont' have a time of birth , so this may have already begun. Every area of his life is uncertain. I'll have to really look at the chart of your Taurus companion later on, okay? ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Saturn transiting 1st House & Saturn conjunct Pluto-Help?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:59 pm 
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I just wanted to say that I'm truly sorry for not writing back sooner. I've had so many bad things happen to me lately, I honestly am just beside myself. I feel like I really need someone to talk to and who can help guide me through some of these things spiritually, because I'm lost. I feel like my life is so upside down, and in regards to the extremely unexpected things that have happened lately to, I'm starting to believe I'm cursed. It's just so non-stop anymore.
It's ok if you don't want to/can't, but would there be any chance that I could talk to you through pm's or e-mail? Some of the things that have happened, I don't exactly want the whole world to know..but I've gotten to the point where I'm just desperate to talk it out and find some meaning in it maybe? I mean, some of the things have a semi-obvious reason for happening, but the totally random and unexpected things--a long with them ALL happening at one time (which seems to always happen to me in almost otherworldly proportions)--just has me feeling so incredibly helpless right now.

Again, it's ok if you aren't able to. I still appreciate your response, even though the circumstances have changed now--the part that really got me was the 'Uranian urges' and now knowing that Uranus has been opposite Saturn ( :dash ). I'm not a big fan of Uranus..or Saturn. But considering my Moon oppos. Sun, I have low expectations for ever finding the 'middle ground' in life. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Saturn transiting 1st House & Saturn conjunct Pluto-Help?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:22 am 
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Hi, Lilypetals...

I'm sorry things aren't going well. :-(

Transiting Neptune and Chiron square IC and MC; uncertainty around home/family or job. Jupiter returns to join that square from Aquarius by Christmas, so you may feel more hopeful in December.

Pluto transiting to conjunct Uranus and Saturn trining Moon may have ended relationship with someone close who felt like family. May have affected relationships and children.

Saturn and Uranus opposition has caused changes in partnerships or relationshipsl as well as changes in self image and personal perceptions and appearances. May have had accident or outburst.

I am going away soon, so I may have to ask Justin to contact you. You can try to reach me at my email address, which is on my website under "contact", because private messaging and emails have been disabled here due to spam. If you do reach me by the morning or afternoon, I can send you a note before I go away. If not, it will have to wait until I come back.


Keep the faith... :angel

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