Internet birthday

Sherryelyn · **Posted:** Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:45 pm

So far I've found two dates:

Sept. 2nd 1969 (Virgo, ruled by Mercury) is the date a computer first "talked" to a router.

Oct. 29th 1969 (Scorpio!) is the first date that a computer actually communicated with another computer via a router over a network.

From WIkipedia:

"After much work, the first two nodes of what would become the ARPANET were interconnected between UCLA's School of Engineering and Applied Science and SRI International (SRI) in Menlo Park, California, on October 29, 1969. The ARPANET was one of the "eve" networks of today's Internet. "

That sounds like it would be the official birthdate, but we don't have a time. We can use Noon in Los Angeles, California, for a chart. Here is the chart with progressions and transits for the anniversary.

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Now I will also put up the chart for that first communication to a router on Sept. 2, 1969:

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Caro, you have brought up some FASCINATING material here. Look at how in the OCTOBER chart, Scorpio and Pluto stand out, indicating "the masses", and possibly secret motives. We also see Jupiter blending with Mercury, the advancement of long distance communication with local, and we see Sagittarius in the 11th hosue of groups and organizations, as well as a loaded 9th house representing global and world interconnections!

Uranus shows up more when I would expect it to in the SEPTEMBER chart, conjunct Jupiter and Mercury in the 11th. They are opposite Chiron which relates to futuristic crystal technology. Mercury is stronger here with the Virgo Sun. The Moon is in Taurus on the cusp of Gemini, which would change to Gemini later in the day. (Mercury rules Virgo AND Gemini.) SO, perhaps the birth time is later. And we have Scorpio rising in the noon chart, which reflects the Scorpio in the other chart. Of course, all of these things were being developed firstly in a military capacity, a nd were somewhat covert.

Any other comments?

Sherrye

Sherryelyn · **Posted:** Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:16 pm

I do want to add more observations. :-)

We have the Moon in Gemini in the October chart. Gemini is Mercury ruled, and we do have that Mercury/Jupiter exchange of communications in the chart.

Saturn is highlighted as it is opposite the Sun and Capricorn is rising. It's also interesting that in the October chart we have potentially strong Venus, as Venus is conjunct Jupiter, with five Libra planets. What is Venus'es connection to the internet through the 9th house? Anyone want to help out on that one? Remember that the 9th house is associated with Sagittarius and Jupiter. Look at all of the planets thave have progressed into Sagittarius in the 11th on the recent 40th anniversary. This is significant, as it seems to be fulfilling the potential of the SEPTEMBER chart (look at the 11th house in that chart). Libra is highlighed in that September chart, so again, I am thinking of Venus. Is it the social potential that we are seeing?

Also we see Uranus in the 8th conjunct the cusp of the 9th (I am not surprised to see it so close ot the 9th), which is interesting as the 8th is naturally ruled by Scorpio, yet Uranus rules technology and most astrologers believe that it rules the Internet. In both charts, Uranus is opposite Chiron, the modern use of crystal science which is often "alternative". Also, Pluto falls into the 8th in this chart, so again there is a strong Scorpio or Pluto element.

Sherrye

Sherryelyn · **Posted:** Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:52 am

Hi, Caro!

I finally got back to your posts, which I find very interesting.

Caro wrote:

In the first neptune in first house. the clear focus on our dreams but in a parallel universe.Visionary perhaps?! Internet was not widely known about until after cold war(USvUSSR ) was over. that's right I think?( I love the internet for information finding)

the second one - mars in first house in cap - hmmm- now that does not surprise me. Or am I am alone in thinking that communication on the internet is quite different to general face to face communication. I will be frank here - it can be quite agressive but in a controlled way. My friends and I have discussed dating websites so I refer to this in particular.

Yes, I'm so glad you brought this up. Neptune is all about the dreams. And look what we've actually created --a DREAM WORLD that we can access at any time. You know what else Neptune in the 1st house is? VIRTUAL REALITY. Think of all of the people in their virtual worlds, or caught up in internet worlds outside their everyday reality. And guess what else Neptune is? ADDICTION. Think of how so many people are not only addicted to their secret Scorpio virtual worlds (where no one can see their faces or hear their voices) , but also addicted to the INTERNET in general. (And in Scorpio, this can become an addiction to pornography.) This was the potential for home PC's that was probably not foreseen (not completely).

In the second one, with Mars in the 1st house in Capricorn, the focus seems to be more on work, success, and war. So it is the ability to use the Internet for defense, and for corporate success and achievements.

You are right, the internet is QUITE different from face to face communication, or even everyday "phone to phone" communication. Because it is more impersonal, it can be more "direct", and takes on more of an assertive Mars quality. There is less tact, less self doubt, less backing down in that kind of communication.

Sherrye

Sherryelyn · **Posted:** Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:45 am

Caro, I really love this thread, and I must thank you again for beginning it.

Caro wrote:

Yes , I think many people come across in a different way on this medium than in real life. This seems to be the story of online dating etc. also seems that some people prefer this online world. I think some people which I said before interact well on this medium but others don’t.

I must admit I really like the idea of a ‘virtual world’ and creating a perfect life but have never got around to finding out more. To some extent it links to meditation for me.

I agree with the self destructive elements you mention about Neptune. I think Neptune in scorpio is well placed too though. However I don’t get the link to pornography. I need to chat to some people off line about that.

Internet is great for business/work related stuff. Mars in capricorn is the self made business person which the internet has made a reality. However I do think that mars in capricorn has hidden qualities and that’s all I will say.

Moving on to transit in a few years of uranus in aries. I do think that the internet will change around this time. Its opposition to natal uranus in libra and square with mars in cap. Im quite concerned about that transit generally. Although Neptune moves into pisces where it is well placed at the same time. So I think there is hope.

Yes, Caro, and you just brought up another element of Neptune in the 1st house-- people come across differently over the internet than they do in real life. Typical Neptune, as in things are not what they seem. And in the 1st house, it's the "face" or identity of the person, or the physical being.

Neptune has many sides, and on the negative side is represents addictions. A dark side of Scorpio or Pluto is the darker or hidden sexual energy or practices. It seems that since the advent of the Internet in the home, a large percentage of people have used it to access pornography or to have sexual "encounters" online. (Even utilizing webcams.) Many are addicted to this. So this is one way that Neptune in the first house (physicality and identity) may manifest through the chart of the Internet. In the chart of a person, it may manifest in a more personal way. Of course, Neptune in Scorpio in the 1st house does not have to be sexual in the chart of a person. Neptune spent many years in that sign. My generation grew up during that period between about 1956 and 1970, and it is interestign to think about. It began with Elvis and ended after Woodstock. It was a slowly building sexual revolution (aided by Uranus entering Libra, freedom in partners, around 1968, and going from that into sexual Scorpio by around 1975.) Now, Neptune in Scorpio also ushered in "sex and drugs and rock and roll". But that's another thread waiting to be born.

Neptune in Scorpio in the first house of the Internet also shows the relation to covert defense, and spying. That side of it is probably something that went farther than expected. Now it's not just the government that accesses the capability to spy. Neptune is related to viruses, so we have the advent of widespread viruses, trojans, worms, phishing, etc., often trying to gather personal information. And the webcams and microphones also may invade personal space.

Before I forget, tell me what you think about Mars in Capricorn. I would like to hear more of your observations. :-)

They are often aggressive and ambitious if the rest of the chart really supports that, and when the chart doesn't support it, Mars in Capricorn gives them the ambition or determination that they may lack elsewhere. Some Mars in Capricorn people will step on others to get what they want, and others will just use the energy to achieve their goals in a logial, sequential way. Mars in Capricorn does not give up when it is something they want.

Now, finding this in one of the charts for the Internet, we have discussed already that it is an aid to business and corporations. It's a great aid to financial interactions as well. There may be something about the technology that we don't understand, that relates to sequences and climbing. Perhaps this is related to mathematics and the building of codes and programs.

There is so much more in these charts to be found!

Sherrye

Sherryelyn · **Posted:** Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:11 pm

I'll be thinking about Uranus in Aries, Caro!

When the Uranus oppositon (midlife crisis) arrives for the Internet, there may be an even greater shift than what we are seeing, although you're right, it may have begun on some level (with Twitter, texting, social networking, etc. ). Uranus moving from Pisces to Aries will be less diffused and more focused and singular. It will also be more "selfish". Uranus in Aries itself, apart from the internet, may be warlike, may include sudden dangerous events, and may represent true pioneers into a brand new unknown territory or world. Will the internet be a part of this?

You mentioned Mercury, Caro, which reminds me--in the October chart, Mercury in Libra, as you said, is square Mars in Capricorn, and also square the Capricorn ascendant. And if this were an equal house chart that began with the 22 Cap AC, both Mercury and Jupiter would be conjunct the Midheaven/10th, also. Mercury is conjunct Jupiter. So Mercury is more prominent here than we think.

Mercury and Jupiter are representative of two levels of communication, the mroe local and personal 3rd house type of Mercurial form is blended here with the 9th house gloabal form. Jupiter is the ruler of long distance communication, intracultural and global communication, global exchange, and many more things that echo the 9th house in which they are placed. That loaded 9th house we mentioned early on in these posts includes Uranus, the ruler of technology (and a higher octave of Mercury) , conjunct the 9th house cusp from the 8th.

The Moon in Gemini is trine Jupiter and Mercury from the 5th house, which is immensely creative and branches out into all modes of communicative creations simultaneously. It can even do it from the home (Moon), or keep family in touch (Moon).

We do have other aspects to Mercury and Jupiter, but I'm going to skip over them for now.

In the September chart, Mercury in Libra, while again conjunct Jupiter, isn't aspecting Mars by a major aspect, but is aspecting it my quintile (72 degree aspect). I don['t use quintiles much, but in this case it is a positive aspect for energetic communication. There are other aspects to Mercury (opposition to Chiron, inconjunct to Saturn, sexitle to Venus, etc.), but the two most important Mercury aspects in the September chart are the conjunctions to Jupiter and Uranus in Libra. We see that pure potential for very advanced technological communication worldwide, hinging on Uranian foresight and Uranian and Jupiterian vision. In the September chart, you see it in the 11th house which is social and group oriented. Libra is also social. So the internet has worked it's way from business organizations, groups, and collectives to social groups, organizations, and collectives. Here we see the potential for newsgroups and social networking.

I have quite a bit of "karma" with Mars in Capricorn people, and as an entity they will always strive for something better, moving towards the top. So yes, they will go from rags to riches, and continue to look ahead to the next goal. They will do everything they can not to lose ground. Teh don't give up, and they don't really retire..

Mars, the original ruler of Scorpio, is always sexual. Sex is a big part of the Mars energy, although Pluto takes it to a deeper and more subtle level, as well as a more secretive level. Mars in Capricorn has the sexual drive that many other Mars placements don't have. So in the October chart we see Mars in Capricorn at teh AC sextile Neptune in Scorpio in the 10th, a prominent Neptune in Scorpio, and again I think this points to issues of covert defense and "probing" as well as potential for addiction in matters of sex. In the September chart, Neptune in Scorpio in the first house is opposite the Moon in Taurus in the 7th. The two main things that Scorpio and Taurus have in common are their resources (financial and otherwise), and their sensuality. Taurus tends to slip into addictive indulgences in some cases, and again, so does Neptune in Scorpio in certain situations. In this case, I think the "I" of the internet in the 1st house is pulling in the "other" of the user in the 7th. Sex is only one of the aspects of internet addiction.

The sexual side to Mars in Capricorn that is sometimes hidden beneath other drives (or sublimated) is the "power" drive. Similar to Pluto, which is all about power to the point where sex becomes secondary to the power, Mars in Capricorn channels sex into power, or into a climb for power. As far as the saboteur, negative Capricorn (like negative Chiron) is the scapegoat. This is similar to the saboteur, but Capricorn may unconsciously allow others to scapegoat him or blame him for whatever doesn't work out, as he carries the ambition for those who don't work as hard. Mars in Capricorn works even harder to avoid this. They can do fine sexually, but many of them use sex as a tool to "conquer" and move on, and lose relationships in the process.

I got carried away, as this doesn't necessarily relate to the Internet. I believe it relates to the Internet in the way that I mentioned before, a corporate tool, a tool in the world of finance, and a tool of accessing great power. When I first spoke to my students over a year ago about Pluto in Capricorn telling it like it is, and knocking over the tower of cards (no Capricorn/Saturnian foundation) that the predatory lenders of Pluto in Sagittarius had created, they were amazed at how the planets indicate these trends in society. Perhaps a bit of this was foreshadowed by the prominent Mars in Capricorn rising in the chart of the internet.

To get off the subject again, Pluto in Capricorn can bring down governments, as well as bring Orwellian situations into play. In the October chart, Pluto in Mercury-ruled Virgo in the secretive 8th house is trine that Mars in Capricorn on the AC, which to me shows the development of the hidden, covert side of the internet through an obvious Capricorn business or government "face" or "front" that is actually only a mask. Are our lives being secretly dictated and controlled by analysis and statistics enabled on a large scale by the Internet? Are our lives and the furits of our labors being observed, pooled and controlled through the invasive eye of the Internet?

It's a lot to think about!

Sherrye

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